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Gamer hanabi: /* Basic Example */

2017-01-25T14:18:17Z

Basic Example

→ نسخهٔ قدیمی‌تر		نسخهٔ ‏۲۵ ژانویهٔ ۲۰۱۷، ساعت ۱۶:۱۸
خط ۵۵:		خط ۵۵:
	So, the first four moves are:		So, the first four moves are:

	P1 clues BLUE to P3 (7 clues).		1. P1 clues BLUE to P3 (7 clues).

	P2 clues 1 to P1 (6 clues).		2. P2 clues 1 to P1 (6 clues).

	P3 plays B1 and draws R1.		3. P3 plays B1 and draws R1.

	P1 plays W1 and draws G4.		4. P1 plays W1 and draws G4.

	The game now looks like this, with P2 to move:		The game now looks like this, with P2 to move:
خط ۶۹:		خط ۶۹:
	Player 3: R1, R4, W4, R3, G3 Discarded: -		Player 3: R1, R4, W4, R3, G3 Discarded: -

	P2 clues RED to P3.		5. P2 clues RED to P3.

	There are two possible continuations from here.		There are two possible continuations from here.
	'''Option 1'''		'''Option 1'''

	P3 plays R1 and draws Y5.		6. P3 plays R1 and draws Y5.

	P1 plays Y1 and draws Y3.		7. P1 plays Y1 and draws Y3.

	P2 discards B1 and draws G2 (7 clues).		8. P2 discards B1 and draws G2 (7 clues).

	P3 clues 1 to P2 (6 clues).		9. P3 clues 1 to P2 (6 clues).

	P1 discards B2 and draws R4 (7 clues).		10. P1 discards B2 and draws R4 (7 clues).

	P2 plays G1 and draws B5.		11. P2 plays G1 and draws B5.

	P3 clues 2 to P2 (6 clues).		12. P3 clues 2 to P2 (6 clues).

	And the game will look like this, with P1 to move:		And the game will look like this, with P1 to move:
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	'''Option 2'''		'''Option 2'''

	P3 clues 1 to P2 (5 clues). This move delays him playing the R1, but will make P2 more confident in discarding since he knows all the useless 1s.		6. P3 clues 1 to P2 (5 clues). This move delays him playing the R1, but will make P2 more confident in discarding since he knows all the useless 1s.

	P1 plays Y1 and draws Y5.		7. P1 plays Y1 and draws Y5.

	P2 plays G1 and draws Y3.		8. P2 plays G1 and draws Y3.

	P3 plays R1 and draws G2.		9. P3 plays R1 and draws G2.

	P1 discards B2 and draws R4 (6 clues).		10. P1 discards B2 and draws R4 (6 clues).

	P2 discards B1 and draws B5 (7 clues).		11. P2 discards B1 and draws B5 (7 clues).

	P3 clues 2 to P2 (6 clues).		12. P3 clues 2 to P2 (6 clues).

	And the game will look like this, with P1 to move:		And the game will look like this, with P1 to move:

Gamer hanabi: /* Basic Example */

2017-01-25T14:17:02Z

Basic Example

→ نسخهٔ قدیمی‌تر		نسخهٔ ‏۲۵ ژانویهٔ ۲۰۱۷، ساعت ۱۶:۱۷
خط ۵۴:		خط ۵۴:

	So, the first four moves are:		So, the first four moves are:

	P1 clues BLUE to P3 (7 clues).		P1 clues BLUE to P3 (7 clues).

	P2 clues 1 to P1 (6 clues).		P2 clues 1 to P1 (6 clues).

	P3 plays B1 and draws R1.		P3 plays B1 and draws R1.

	P1 plays W1 and draws G4.		P1 plays W1 and draws G4.

خط ۶۹:		خط ۷۳:
	There are two possible continuations from here.		There are two possible continuations from here.
	'''Option 1'''		'''Option 1'''

	P3 plays R1 and draws Y5.		P3 plays R1 and draws Y5.

	P1 plays Y1 and draws Y3.		P1 plays Y1 and draws Y3.

	P2 discards B1 and draws G2 (7 clues).		P2 discards B1 and draws G2 (7 clues).

	P3 clues 1 to P2 (6 clues).		P3 clues 1 to P2 (6 clues).

	P1 discards B2 and draws R4 (7 clues).		P1 discards B2 and draws R4 (7 clues).

	P2 plays G1 and draws B5.		P2 plays G1 and draws B5.

	P3 clues 2 to P2 (6 clues).		P3 clues 2 to P2 (6 clues).

خط ۸۴:		خط ۹۵:

	'''Option 2'''		'''Option 2'''

	P3 clues 1 to P2 (5 clues). This move delays him playing the R1, but will make P2 more confident in discarding since he knows all the useless 1s.		P3 clues 1 to P2 (5 clues). This move delays him playing the R1, but will make P2 more confident in discarding since he knows all the useless 1s.

	P1 plays Y1 and draws Y5.		P1 plays Y1 and draws Y5.

	P2 plays G1 and draws Y3.		P2 plays G1 and draws Y3.

	P3 plays R1 and draws G2.		P3 plays R1 and draws G2.

	P1 discards B2 and draws R4 (6 clues).		P1 discards B2 and draws R4 (6 clues).

	P2 discards B1 and draws B5 (7 clues).		P2 discards B1 and draws B5 (7 clues).

	P3 clues 2 to P2 (6 clues).		P3 clues 2 to P2 (6 clues).

Gamer hanabi: /* Basic Example */

2017-01-25T14:15:53Z

Basic Example

→ نسخهٔ قدیمی‌تر		نسخهٔ ‏۲۵ ژانویهٔ ۲۰۱۷، ساعت ۱۶:۱۵
خط ۶۱:		خط ۶۱:
	The game now looks like this, with P2 to move:		The game now looks like this, with P2 to move:
	(oldest ... newest)		(oldest ... newest)
	Player 1: G4, Y(1), B2, Y2, B2 Played: R0, Y0, G0, B1, W1		Player 1: G4, Y(1), B2, Y2, B2 Played: R0, Y0, G0, B1, W1
	Player 2: G1, G1, W3, Y2, B1		Player 2: G1, G1, W3, Y2, B1
	Player 3: R1, R4, W4, R3, G3 Discarded: -		Player 3: R1, R4, W4, R3, G3 Discarded: -

	P2 clues RED to P3.		P2 clues RED to P3.

Gamer hanabi: /* Basic Examples */

2017-01-25T14:15:24Z

Basic Examples

→ نسخهٔ قدیمی‌تر		نسخهٔ ‏۲۵ ژانویهٔ ۲۰۱۷، ساعت ۱۶:۱۵
خط ۳۹:		خط ۳۹:


	== Basic ~~Examples~~ ==		== Basic Example ==

	Imagine the following starting situation:		Imagine the following starting situation:
خط ۶۱:		خط ۶۱:
	The game now looks like this, with P2 to move:		The game now looks like this, with P2 to move:
	(oldest ... newest)		(oldest ... newest)
	Player 1: G4, Y(1), B2, Y2, B2		Player 1: G4, Y(1), B2, Y2, B2 Played: R0, Y0, G0, B1, W1
	Player 2: G1, G1, W3, Y2, B1		Player 2: G1, G1, W3, Y2, B1
	Player 3: R1, R4, W4, R3, G3		Player 3: R1, R4, W4, R3, G3 Discarded: -

	P2 clues RED to P3.		P2 clues RED to P3.
خط ۷۹:		خط ۷۹:
	And the game will look like this, with P1 to move:		And the game will look like this, with P1 to move:
	(oldest ... newest)		(oldest ... newest)
	Player 1: R4, Y3, G4, B(2), Y(2)		Player 1: R4, Y3, G4, B(2), Y(2) Played: R1, Y1, G1, B1, W1
	Player 2: G2, G(1), G(1), W3, Y2		Player 2: G2, G(1), G(1), W3, Y2
	Player 3: Y5, (R)4, W4, (R)3, G3		Player 3: Y5, (R)4, W4, (R)3, G3 Discarded: B1, B2

	'''Option 2'''		'''Option 2'''
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	And the game will look like this, with P1 to move:		And the game will look like this, with P1 to move:
	(oldest ... newest)		(oldest ... newest)
	Player 1: R4, Y5, G4, B(2), Y(2)		Player 1: R4, Y5, G4, B(2), Y(2) Played: R1, Y1, G1, B1, W1
	Player 2: Y3, G(1), W3, Y2, B(1)		Player 2: Y3, G(1), W3, Y2, B(1)
	Player 3: G2, (R)4, W4, (R)3, G3		Player 3: G2, (R)4, W4, (R)3, G3 Discarded: B2, B1

	In both ~~option~~, the 2-clue is given to P1, to mark both 2s as playable. Since all 1s are played, all 2s will be playable.		Both options are equally valid. They end up in the same situation, with only the cards in hands being in a different order. Since the cards are picked at random, there is no valid reason to say one option is better than the other.
	~~Also~~, this ~~means~~ only ~~1 clue is used for 2 plays~~.
			In both options, the 2-clue is given to P1, to mark both 2s as playable. Since all 1s are played, all 2s will be playable.
			Note that, in this game, two 1s where marked with one clue (and played); and two 2s were marked with one clue (and will be played). As stated in the beginning, there are a total of 21 clues (in this variant) to mark 25 cards. At this point in the game, there are 16 clues left to mark 18 cards. With only two more "efficient" clues, the game can end with a perfect score.

	== Advanced ==		== Advanced ==

	[to be added...]		[to be added...]

Gamer hanabi: /* Basic Examples */

2017-01-25T14:02:14Z

Basic Examples

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 == Basic Examples ==
 == Advanced ==
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Gamer hanabi در ‏۲۵ ژانویهٔ ۲۰۱۷، ساعت ۱۲:۵۰

2017-01-25T12:50:23Z

→ نسخهٔ قدیمی‌تر		نسخهٔ ‏۲۵ ژانویهٔ ۲۰۱۷، ساعت ۱۴:۵۰
خط ۳۷:		خط ۳۷:

	So most people on BGA expect you to ONLY play the clued card on the left. The rest of the cards are just to be kept on your hand. Beware that there are different approaches and not all players play by this convention.		So most people on BGA expect you to ONLY play the clued card on the left. The rest of the cards are just to be kept on your hand. Beware that there are different approaches and not all players play by this convention.


			== Basic Examples ==

	== Advanced ==		== Advanced ==

	[to be added...]		[to be added...]

Gamer hanabi: /* Basics */

2017-01-25T12:47:42Z

Basics

→ نسخهٔ قدیمی‌تر		نسخهٔ ‏۲۵ ژانویهٔ ۲۰۱۷، ساعت ۱۴:۴۷
خط ۱۱:		خط ۱۱:
	It is therefore paramount, that only useful cards are clued. If you mark a card that you know will not be played, it will cost another clue (-1) to make your team mate discard that card to gain a clue (+1), which is a net result of 0. If the card is not marked, your team mate will discard it eventually to gain a clue (+1), which is a net result of +1.		It is therefore paramount, that only useful cards are clued. If you mark a card that you know will not be played, it will cost another clue (-1) to make your team mate discard that card to gain a clue (+1), which is a net result of 0. If the card is not marked, your team mate will discard it eventually to gain a clue (+1), which is a net result of +1.

	This leads to '''Basic Rule #1'''
	~~Clues:''' '''~~Every ~~clue given~~ is ~~for~~ either a) ~~save~~ useful card(s) (interpret it as PLAY LATER), or b) ~~get the clued~~ card played. (interpret it as PLAY NOW)~~'''~~		This leads to '''Basic Rule #1''' (cluing).

			Every card that is marked, is either
			a) (a) useful card(s) to be saved (interpret it as PLAY LATER), or
			b) a useful card to be played (interpret it as PLAY NOW).

	Most hanabi-players on BGA play by this main rule. So when a clue is given, ask yourself "Is this clue to save something"? If not, it is to get played.		Most hanabi-players on BGA play by this main rule. So when a clue is given, ask yourself "Is this clue to save something"? If not, it is to get played.
خط ۱۸:		خط ۲۲:


			The game interface puts every new card you draw, on the left-hand side of your hand. This means, the left-most card is the newest card, which makes your right-most card automatically the oldest. If a card has been in your hand for a long time, and you have not been given a clue that marks it, it is logical that it is a useless card and safe to discard.


			Hence, '''Basic Rule #2''' (discarding).
			'''Discard first what you know is useless (like a clued 1 when all 1s are already played). After that: discard your oldest (right-most) unclued card.'''

	~~'''2. Basic Rule for Discarding:''' '''Discard first what you know~~ is ~~useless (like~~ a ~~clued 1 when all 1s are already played)~~. ~~After that: discard your oldest unclued~~ card.~~'''~~		Note, that this rule is already a bit tricky. At the start of the game, every card can be considered equally old. This is where personal preference of players starts to matter.

	~~On BGA new~~ cards ~~move~~ in on the left ~~side~~. ~~So you should discard from~~ the ~~right side~~. ~~Most players will expect~~ you to ~~do so from the beginning even though there is no oldest card in your opening hand~~.		Another result from the newest --> oldest order, is the interpretation of multiple marked cards. When you get a clue that marks multiple cards, and you can identify it is in fact a clue for play (see Basic Rule 1), you should play the newest (left-most) card. If an older card was "the playable card", it would probably be clued earlier. The logical conclusion must be, that the newest card, was the card you all have been waiting for, and you happened to draw it.

	~~'''3. Basic Rule for Playing:''' '''Play the newer clued card'''~~

	~~When you get multiple cards clued and you can identify it is in fact a clue for play (see~~ Basic Rule 1) - ~~it is more likely that your newer card is the playable card. So~~ most ~~people on BGA expect you to play the~~ clued card ~~on the left. The rest of the cards are just to be kept on your hand.~~		'''Basic Rule #3''' (playing).
	~~Beware that there are different approaches and not all players play by this convention~~		'''Play the newer (left-most) clued card'''

	[to be ~~continued.~~..]		So most people on BGA expect you to ONLY play the clued card on the left. The rest of the cards are just to be kept on your hand. Beware that there are different approaches and not all players play by this convention.

	== Advanced ==		== Advanced ==

	[to be added...]		[to be added...]

Gamer hanabi در ‏۲۵ ژانویهٔ ۲۰۱۷، ساعت ۱۲:۱۴

2017-01-25T12:14:31Z

→ نسخهٔ قدیمی‌تر		نسخهٔ ‏۲۵ ژانویهٔ ۲۰۱۷، ساعت ۱۴:۱۴
خط ۱:		خط ۱:
	This guide is for strategy tips: How to interpret clues, how to give clues, how to decide to play, discard or clue.		This guide is for strategy tips: How to interpret clues, how to give clues, how to decide to play, discard or clue.

			== General ==
			On BGA, there is no 1-strategy-to-be-played. However, if people start playing different strategies in 1 game, the game is doomed to fail. That is why communication in advance is very important, and why most hanabi-players get a lot of red thumbs. (Different strategy is interpreted as ruining the game.)


	== Basics ==		== Basics ==

			The basic game, plays with 50 cards: 10 for each colour. If you want to get the maximum score of 25 points, you need to play 25 cards. Some of the cards are left in the players hands at the end of the game. Depending on the number of players, this will be 8, 12, 12, or 15 (for 2p, 3p, 4p, and 5p respectively). This means in the entire game, there are 17, 13, or 10 cards that can be discarded for clues. You also get 8 clue tokens at the start, making the total number of clues in the entire game 25, 21, or 18. This gives the logical conclusion that you can not clue the colour AND number for every card in your hand, because there are simply not enough clues.

			It is therefore paramount, that only useful cards are clued. If you mark a card that you know will not be played, it will cost another clue (-1) to make your team mate discard that card to gain a clue (+1), which is a net result of 0. If the card is not marked, your team mate will discard it eventually to gain a clue (+1), which is a net result of +1.

	'''1. Basic Rule ~~for~~ Clues:''' '''Every clue given is for either a) save useful card(s) or b) get the clued card played.'''		This leads to '''Basic Rule #1'''
			Clues:''' '''Every clue given is for either a) save useful card(s) (interpret it as PLAY LATER), or b) get the clued card played. (interpret it as PLAY NOW)'''

	Most hanabi-players on BGA play by this main rule. So when a clue is given, ask yourself "Is this clue to save something"? If not, it is to get played.		Most hanabi-players on BGA play by this main rule. So when a clue is given, ask yourself "Is this clue to save something"? If not, it is to get played.
	Saving cards is important because there are only 2 cards of value 2, 3, and 4 in each suit, and only 1 card of value 5. To not get stuck on that ~~color~~ it is urgent to keep the last copy of a card safe (prevent from discarding it).		Saving cards is important because there are only 2 cards of value 2, 3, and 4 in each suit, and only 1 card of value 5. To not get stuck on that colour it is urgent to keep the last copy of a card safe (prevent from discarding it).



	'''2. Basic Rule for Discarding:''' '''Discard first what you know is useless (like a clued 1 when all 1s are already played). After that: discard your oldest unclued card.'''		'''2. Basic Rule for Discarding:''' '''Discard first what you know is useless (like a clued 1 when all 1s are already played). After that: discard your oldest unclued card.'''

Nandblock: /* Basics */

2016-12-19T19:41:03Z

Basics

→ نسخهٔ قدیمی‌تر		نسخهٔ ‏۱۹ دسامبر ۲۰۱۶، ساعت ۲۱:۴۱
خط ۸:		خط ۸:

	Most hanabi-players on BGA play by this main rule. So when a clue is given, ask yourself "Is this clue to save something"? If not, it is to get played.		Most hanabi-players on BGA play by this main rule. So when a clue is given, ask yourself "Is this clue to save something"? If not, it is to get played.
	Saving cards is important because there are only 2 cards of each ~~kind (~~only ~~one~~ of ~~each~~ 5 ~~though)~~. To not get stuck on that color it is urgent to keep the last copy of a card safe (prevent from discarding it).		Saving cards is important because there are only 2 cards of value 2, 3, and 4 in each suit, and only 1 card of value 5. To not get stuck on that color it is urgent to keep the last copy of a card safe (prevent from discarding it).


	'''2. Basic Rule for Discarding:''' '''Discard first what you know is useless (like a clued 1 when all 1s are already played). After that: discard your oldest unclued card.'''		'''2. Basic Rule for Discarding:''' '''Discard first what you know is useless (like a clued 1 when all 1s are already played). After that: discard your oldest unclued card.'''

	On BGA new cards move in on the left side. So you should discard from the right side. Most players will expect you to do so from the beginning even though there is no oldest card ~~among first 4 cards~~.		On BGA new cards move in on the left side. So you should discard from the right side. Most players will expect you to do so from the beginning even though there is no oldest card in your opening hand.


	'''3. Basic Rule for Playing:''' '''Play the newer clued card'''		'''3. Basic Rule for Playing:''' '''Play the newer clued card'''
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	When you get multiple cards clued and you can identify it is in fact a clue for play (see Basic Rule 1) - it is more likely that your newer card is the playable card. So most people on BGA expect you to play the clued card on the left. The rest of the cards are just to be kept on your hand.		When you get multiple cards clued and you can identify it is in fact a clue for play (see Basic Rule 1) - it is more likely that your newer card is the playable card. So most people on BGA expect you to play the clued card on the left. The rest of the cards are just to be kept on your hand.
	Beware that there are different approaches and not all players play by this convention		Beware that there are different approaches and not all players play by this convention


	[to be continued...]		[to be continued...]

Silene: Hanabi Strategy guide

2016-12-18T21:27:42Z

Hanabi Strategy guide

صفحهٔ تازه

This guide is for strategy tips: How to interpret clues, how to give clues, how to decide to play, discard or clue.

== Basics ==

'''1. Basic Rule for Clues:''' '''Every clue given is for either a) save useful card(s) or b) get the clued card played.'''

Most hanabi-players on BGA play by this main rule. So when a clue is given, ask yourself "Is this clue to save something"? If not, it is to get played.
Saving cards is important because there are only 2 cards of each kind (only one of each 5 though). To not get stuck on that color it is urgent to keep the last copy of a card safe (prevent from discarding it).

'''2. Basic Rule for Discarding:''' '''Discard first what you know is useless (like a clued 1 when all 1s are already played). After that: discard your oldest unclued card.'''

On BGA new cards move in on the left side. So you should discard from the right side. Most players will expect you to do so from the beginning even though there is no oldest card among first 4 cards.

'''3. Basic Rule for Playing:''' '''Play the newer clued card'''

When you get multiple cards clued and you can identify it is in fact a clue for play (see Basic Rule 1) - it is more likely that your newer card is the playable card. So most people on BGA expect you to play the clued card on the left. The rest of the cards are just to be kept on your hand.
Beware that there are different approaches and not all players play by this convention

[to be continued...]

== Advanced ==

[to be added...]